Lol this tradition most likely existed before blackface in America.
And as a woman whose culture had the swastika before the nazis, I can sympathise with people from other cultures turning innocent cultural things into a poop storm
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See, I don’t like it when people use this excuse. 
The people in the past enslaved, did actual black face and insulted others and much more. Being more mindful shouldn’t be compared to being sensitive. I agree a lot of people are now but that doesn’t speak for everyone.
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I don’t think that’s true. I think we think that for a number of reasons
For one, people were offended by different things back then. Like black people being in the same hotel or university or living on the street as them. Or women wearing revealing clothes. Or gay people in general.
Two, it was only white people who were heard back then. It didn’t really matter if POCs were offended. Their voice wouldn’t matter anyway.
Three: we have the Internet now. That means we all hear about everyone getting offended all the time. Thanks Twitter
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Also right-wingers are just as sensitive now as they’ve ever been. No difference there, they get offended over the exact same things now as they always have.
So emotional
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I am honestly liking this discussion too much that I don’t even want to bring in anything myself but just read what other people say. Since we actually have a proper discussion here in my opinion
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Sure, it’s from a book that was published in 1850, so it’s been around since slavery was legal in the Netherlands (they only banned in in 1863). And things have changed since then, so why not traditions? Since it came from this time period, it is very likely that it was meant as a caricature of a black slave, so I think it needs to be adapted.
I feel like I know a lot more about this (and also now the slave trade with respect to the Netherlands) now than I did so good topic, @Jass !
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This might be way too edgy, to say… but back then when some precious snowflake got offended, they’d become a dictator or try to force some revolution on their country or take it out on the marginalised people around them.
Now we expect people to be decent human beings
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Agreed, I just had to make my daily ‘the right and conservatives are the emotional ones’ statement
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I mean no one can tell me that McCarthyism wasn’t just special snowflake sensitivity taken to the next level.
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When I say sensitive I don’t mean it as “they could laugh about slavery and stuff”. I mean as it is. People can’t laugh about anything that is remotely connected to their persona. I laugh about sexist jokes, female ones just as much a male centered. Race, job, anything. Humour is potentially offensive. Traditions are potentially offensive. If you would try to take into consideration anything that might be offensive to any group, you are ended in terms of content. This kind of thinking not only restricts ur humour, but ur thinking
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Ok this is how recent legalized racism is: my mom got yelled at for drinking out a “colored” water fountain in Florida when she was a lil white girl. The hospital had separate floors for black patients. This is RECENT.
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Recent!?!??!
We idealise the past way too much. I mean, we’re talking about a time where people lost their minds over a black person and a white person kissing and thinking they were less offended and sensitive then
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I wouldn’t consider this as Recent. Progress, and social one, is so fast nowadays. It isn;t recent at all
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Funny thing is there isn’t actuall any “restriction” on humour. You can say whatever you want, people are just finding shock humour less funny these days, because people like, you know. Good humour. And comedians say they’re getting shut up when they really aren’t xD
It’s just as much free speech to tell someone what they said is offensive as it is for them to say it’s offensive. If they self-censor, it’s their problem
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I agree to a certain. I like racist and sexist jokes sometimes too but theres times where it’s just taken too far and not really funny but is just offensive. Humour is subjective. I know that very well but again, being mindful and you know, not bigoted shouldn’t be a “sensitive” thing. Hiding racism through humour is what a lot of people do too.
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Also age ratings for films have definitely become more lax. Does anyone else jump a little when they hear a mild swear word in a 12+ film? Like that never happened when I was a kid
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Also people hide actual racism and sexism behind ‘jokes’. If you just say it’s a joke, surely you can get away with it.
Well, no. Because you actually meant it, Sargon
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This.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I cringe so much over people talking about slavery like it was in their time of existence. Like okay. Slavery is bad. We know. But you weren’t even alive when active slavery, or even segregation was present. Get over it. It’s good to remember, so we don’t repeat the same shit. but stop making it look like you suffered through it. Russians were enslaved too. You don’t hear them going over it. They moved on. They have other problems. Focus on them.
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I disagree, I love laughing about how silly white people are haha. I love hitler jokes (as long as he is the butt of the joke). I just listened to a podcast that kind of mockingly called redheads “people of hair color”. I love offensive stuff! I find that liberals mock themselves routinely because we’re aware of how ridiculous we are. SNL makes fun of dems as much as republicans…
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