So, @Discussions, has school helped you become more disciplined? Perhaps not in the extreme sense but in certain aspects of your life or certain behaviours. Or has school done the opposite for you?
Self-discipline can be picked up quite nicely in school through learning good research habits and revision techniques!
Discipline in the cringey conservative way is not something we should focus on teaching to kids
Yes, self-discipline. That’s the one. Thank you.
True.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
a mix of both
cough teenage boyscough
*cough * they were always like that *cough *
military camp wont fix em *cough *
Ok, you’re right. It only gets worse.
Not really. My parents have disciplined me more than school has and the amount of stuff that kids can get away with at my school leads me to believe that it’s the same for the other students.
i’ve learned a lot in school, even lessons that aren’t academic-based
i’d say i learned more than what my parents taught me
i think it depends for some people, cuz not everyone learns the same way when it comes to discipline
In my experience, the education system itself is not disciplined. It’s a chaotic, convoluted, ever-changing mess that even the teachers can’t figure out. Rules and regulations change all the time, orders from above make no sense and conflict each other. You never know what you’re going to do next year, or next semester… And you certainly don’t know why.
Worst of all, the system is incredibly abstract and out of touch with reality. The teacher’s role - as it’s defined by the system - has nothing to do with what they will face in class. The students’ role is not only mismatched with their needs, but even with their abilities. There is a constant pressure for evaluation (of both students and teachers), but the evaluation tools are a joke. Simply put: There’s no sense or reason in the education as we see it today.
So… How are you supposed to teach your students discipline when you’re dealing with total chaos? Discipline means, among other things, stability and effectiveness. Teaching it requires predictability, routine and a sense of agency. The students have to be able to practice it and see it lets them get results. Modern school throws all this out of the window.
Speaking of personal experiences, though - it did, and it didn’t. My school was very traditional (read: oppressive). It enforced a sort of discipline consistent with instrumental learning: Do as you told, follow the rules, don’t think, just meet the expectations. This was, of course, crippling rather than maturing. Rather than teaching me discipline, my teachers just ingrained a sense of anxiety into me.
On the other hand, my English teacher taught us discipline consistent with relational learning: Understand what you’re doing, apply it on your own, think, analyse, use. He understood that teaching us to do things by-the-book will not teach us the language, so he made sure we could actually make sense of what we learned.
To give you some examples, he did a lot of formal writing with us: Letters, complaints, requests, CVs, stuff like that. We had to follow specific rules, formats and use formal language, but that was because it made us effective. Writing a good CV or a proper, formal mail increases your chance that you’ll get what you want. In that sense, his discipline was sensible - it wasn’t something he demanded, it was something we enforced on ourselves for a good reason. It was the best lesson in true assertiveness my school ever gave me.
Another great thing he did with us were essays and conversation classes. They were always about difficult, meaningful topics. The twist is: He assigned what argument we’re supposed to support. If it was a conversation, he’d divide the class into two teams at random. If it was an essay, the whole class would get the same topic - but half of the students would get ‘argue for’, the other half ‘argue against’.
The point was twofold. For one hand, it taught us how to make good arguments, rather than how to support our own argument. We had to learn to detach ourselves from our own feelings and concentrate on being effective. More importantly, it forced us to look at things from a different point of view. If we discussed abortion, for example, some pro-choice students (the majority) had to actually think about the pro-life arguments. The pro-life students had to consider the pro-choice arguments.
This sort of discipline leads to tolerance and an open mind: Rather than focusing on ourselves and our feelings, we had to put ourselves in the shoes of another - and appreciate their point of view, to a degree. You learn to look at the pros and cons, for-and-against, even if you take the matter personally. Moreover, you learn that the other side is someone you can understand - and talk to. I can’t appreciate that lesson enough.
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Umm it does for some of of my past classmates, but I can’t say that for me because I was already disciplined at home at an early age and also respectful which has become a norm for me.
detention mainly.
judging from what i saw, detention made them realize what they have done was wrong and the teacher spoke with them and after months pass they’ve been respectful and not getting into anymore fights… lucky enough i’m still friends with them till this day. YAY
WOW. I’m surprised that detention actually works.
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