Reparations: Equality or Racism?

Reparations for slavery is a political justice concept that argues that reparations should be paid to the descendants of slaves from Sub-Saharan Africa who were trafficked to and enslaved in the Americas as a consequence of the Atlantic slave trade.”

  1. What are your first impressions on reparations? If you’ve already heard of reparations, what do you think of them?

  2. Are reparations fair, or are they racist against those that have to pay them?

  3. Who should pay reparations? (i.e. all white people, white people who are direct descendants of slave owners, everyone that isn’t African-American)

  4. Should reparations go directly to the families they are being paid to or to improving aspects of lower income African-American immunities (i.e. public libraries, public schools, etc.)?

  5. Should reparations only go to those that are direct descendants of slaves or all African-American families?

  6. Anything else you want to add ^^

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Makes sense :woman_shrugging:t5: Black Americans have been affected by instituitionalised racism for centuries which have but them behind their non-black counterparts. Reparations are a way of making up for how they are “behind” in society as a result of slavery. Only problem is throwing money at a problem doesn’t solve it - will this reduce and irradicate police brutality, end hair discrimination etc.

Reparations are fair because not just Black Americans but African countries (and others actually) are behind as a result of colonialism so no, you can’t just WoRk HaRdEr to overcome a centuries-long setback and institutionalised racism.

It doesn’t make sense for it to be all white people because the history of colonialism differs slightly for each “western” high-income country, so basically white Australians paying reparations for Aboriginal people rather than Black Americans would make more sense imo. Also wouldn’t make sense for it to be all non-AAs because the Latinx community, Asians and Native Americans are also affected by institutionalised racism. It should be descendants of slave owners.

Both. There’s no point in funding public services if people can’t afford to go to/use them and there’s no point in raising average income for individual families if money isn’t going into their communities.

All AAs because 1. Black Americans who are Caribbean are still affected by slavery. They are literally the descendants of West Africans that survived the middle passage. 2. BAs w/ Carribean heritage are still treated as “Black” in white America and affected by racism 3. Selective justice isn’t going to help with the existing xenophobia in the black community.

YUP! First things first I’m tagging @PensiveShadow because she’s Black American so her opinion holds a lot of weight in this conversation.

Next, reparations are not racist. “We shouldn’t give people stuff because of their colour” yeah and we shouldn’t take things away from people due to their colour either. Reparations are not handouts. Are charities for the poor discriminatory towards richer classes? Is donating to children ageist? Is helping disabled people “special treatment”? Is pride anti-straight? Of course not. Helping marginalised groups overcome stunted progress due to discrimination and oppression is NOT the same as non-marginalised groups gaining things when they are already advantaged.

The BA community would not become “ahead” of everyone else they would catch up. Yeah, you should work hard to overcome struggle but individual achievement cannot overcome systemic oppression. “Work harder” implies the black community doesn’t work. We do. Instituitionalised racism means not just BAs but POC in the US have always had to work harder because their road has more obstacles in it.

Lastly I just want to ask for some basic empathy in this discussion. It’s so easy to see the title, skim the reparations definition and decide that “[black] people are too offended” and “why does everything have to be about race” and “why do [black] people always complain about racism when [non - black POC] don’t” and “[non black group] had slavery and they don’t complain” and yada yada. BASIC :clap:t5: RESEARCH :clap:t5: Basic grasps of anti-blackness and institutionalised racism would propel these discussions so far and basic understandings of blackness even more so.

Please listen to and evaluate black voices if you consider yourself an ally. Thank you.

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I think it’s not fair for people to pay for their ancestors mistakes🤷‍♀️ maybe that is just me

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I said this:

Slavery was not a “mistake”. You don’t accidentally take people from their homes against their will, force them to work, murder, rape and then “free” them only to segregate them because they’re “inferior”. The effects of this “mistake” have damaged the black community and its effects are still present.

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I know but it is our job to rise from the past and not to have the us vs them mentality

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And there wouldn’t be that mentality if people didn’t dismiss what happened in the past.

But these Australians didn’t do anything

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True, not all, but there is a lot of instances where Aboriginals are being mistreated to this day. They’re culture isn’t even talked about at all.

I have never met a person who ever dismissed this

The fact we learn about this in schools and information of it proves it

Alright. My point still stands. Just because you haven’t encountered it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

I know but just because a few people fail to acknowledge the history does Not mean everyone has to pay for it

Awesome description. Though I don’t agree with every single thing you said, I love the way you took everything into account when making your argument. Well said :clap:

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It isn’t a “few people” though. :no_mouth:

Can you provide some examples

Theres nothing for me to add on here. You basically hit the nail with this. :joy::heart:

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I explained most of this in my op already:

Learning from the past means accountability. We cannot move on from slavery when things like the one drop rule and hair discrimination are still around because of it. “Us v them” was created when slave owners decided Black Americans didn’t deserve rights.

I never said white Australians should pay reparartions. I said they SHOULDN’T because Austraila doesn’t have the US’s history. I said it shouldn’t:

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A simple google search would do you good. :grin: Theres many people on the internet that treat slavery as a joke and think it wasn’t that big of a deal and tell people to get over it.

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Again they didn’t do anything

I don’t think you should be using a group of people against a whole population