If they’re born in captivity they’re probably used to it. But that doesn’t mean that it isn’t damaging to them, especially to animals that are more noise sensitive.
1 Like
Yeah, I agree with that. I’m moreso referring to animals who have been there for years, so they’d be used to seeing people.
1 Like
Oh, yes, that’s most likely the case.
1 Like
Bump! 
2 Likes
Yes, zoos should be banned.
Here is an interesting article about why orcas don’t do well in captivity:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/03/orcas-captivity-welfare/
2 Likes
OMG! I wanna see this documentary sooo much!
If anyone wants a fictional film about stopping the captivity of Orcas, then this one is a classic.
2 Likes
You make some good points. Especially about the part about there being facilities to conserve different species. There was actually a kind of sad thing I saw at the zoo one time. A big crowd was around a tiger’s cage and it was just pacing near the glass, clearly agitated and angry that there were people there. It didn’t look like a new tiger either (I mean if it was I don’t remember any signs being there), often times it seems like the animals don’t care really about that attention but that tiger looked like it had been there a while and it was very agitated. I’m not against zoos but I do see your point.
I might have to do more research on it to get my full opinion cuz rn I’m on the fence.
3 Likes
Me too! I haven’t seen it but I have some friends who has, they recommended it a while ago.
Aw Free Willy 
Haven’t seen that one either but I have it on DVD somewhere lol.
Aw 
Sounds good. 
1 Like
It looks really interesting.
Whaaat? This is tragic news. You should, you should.
2 Likes
I’m know. 
I’ll watch it
I actually like going to Zoo’s because I’m huge animal lover. Yes, there are many Zoo’s that treat their animals horribly. Though there is also the Zoo’s that do not treat their animals horribly too. I’m not justifying the method of Zoo’s just meaning it’s a 50/50 on the pro’s and cons. To be honest, I like the idea on conservation zoos where they keep you separated from the animals usual territory but those animals have free range of land that is not trekked over by humans. I wished Zoo’s had a better way to manage the animals with that treating them horribly. Though we expect wild animals to not act wild in confine spaces which can be dangerous for those who have to go into those exhibits. On top of that, you also have animals not being treated correctly because of low budgets that Zoo’s have which is a really sad thing to think about. I wanted to be an Animal Behaviorist when I was younger but I didn’t have the means to travel like I needed too for the job and schooling.
1 Like
I love animals and therefore I don’t like going to zoos lol.
I know that most zoo keepers care for the the animals the best they can. Keeping wild animals in cages is just cruel no matter how much you care for the animal though. (And yes, I’m a hypocrite because I eat meat from animals who lives under even worse conditions. Ugh, I wish I wasn’t as lazy as I am. Vegan or not, it’s cruel either way.)
Yeah, that would be better. Sanctuaries for some extinct species are needed but they shouldn’t be an attraction for humans.
I do like the idea of safaris as long as nobody forces the animals to show up for the tourists. I was once on a turtle safari or something on a boat and we didn’t see any turtles lol, (the company kind of scammed us because they said that I would get to see turtles!!!) but I mean, it’s not like we can just force them to show up.
That sounds cool!
1 Like
Everyone who loves animals has a different mindset when it comes to certain circumstances.
Zookeepers wouldn’t have a job if zoos were non-existant. Most Zoos I have gone to have a great setup. It just depends on if the zoo gets the right funding it needs to take care of the animals. Zoos come in handy when dealing with animals that can no longer survive in the wild without physical help from zookeepers. If eating meat meant we were being hypocritical then why do we have teeth that can eat meat? We are omnivores who are supposed to eat fruits, vegetables, seafood, and meat. No matter what situation you are in there will always be a case of animal cruelty just as there will always be a crime. It’s an endless cycle that will never end. The only way to slow down the cycle is to help donate money to zoos or charities of any sort. If we didn’t have any of those problems then this world would be a utopian world with no equal balance.
It is a cool job that I wish I had pursued but it’s in the past now.
1 Like
This turned into a bigger debate then I meant it to be.
1 Like
Okay, so before I thought about what’s best for the animals I too liked zoos because I liked animals.
I mean this goes for every questionable industry, of course people would lose their jobs if an industry is closed down. Instead of working at zoos there would still be job that involves caring for animals, they would just not for on zoos that displays animals.
I’ve seen this argument before on this thread. I still stand by that zoos are not the right solution for preserving species. Animals aren’t an attraction. Zoos are loud and the animals are kept in confined artificial environments.
Oh I meant that I’m being hypocritical who talks about animal cruelty and still eat chicken who lives in under horrible conditions. Yes, but humans can survive on a plant based diet and how the meat and dairy industry looks going vegan would help a lot.
Haha, but things can always change even though it’s hard. Nothing stays for ever, it just needs a lot of effort.
How does it break the cycle to donate to zoos? Zoos are not a place to conserve and rehabilitate species to be released into the wild. They keep animals to make profit out of them. It’s probably illegal now but I’m sure that wild animals still gets captured to be put in zoos for display. I just don’t see how donating to zoos would help lessen animal cruelty? And even if they did help the animals at the zoo they aren’t doing anything for other animals.
1 Like
Haha lol
Edit: I stopped in the middle of what I was going to say
Knowing more about the animals’ natural habitat and behavior and understanding that they have feelings too and can get depressions too, much like humans I don’t support zoos. Many animals get infections and sicknesses that they don’t get in the wild and there is evidence that they get frustrated and even can get depressed. Some species die much earlier in zoos than in the wild. And some zoos are covering this up by spreading misinformed to its customers. Zoos wants to make profit, they aren’t working towards preservation.
I kind of get zoos with smaller, domesticated animals like bunnies and chickens, but that’s it. Wild animals, no.
1 Like
I didn’t make my point clear on this part. The zoo’s I was talking about is the conservation zoos. Donate to those zoos because it gives them more funding to take care of the environment that the animals live in.
This is true with any type of industry but that is something that will always end up happening. As much as, people think there is a way to change this doesn’t mean that it will actually happen.
I’m a carnivore so this is something I’m not willing to change. Yes, humans can live on a vegan diet or a vegetarian diet. I never said that wasn’t possible. Though that doesn’t mean that every human will turn to that type of diet. There will always be this debate on that part. I really don’t even see the hypocritical part but that just could be because I’m reading this while very tired.
Again as I repeat, this argument will always happen. If animals are being poached then yes that needs to stop but if the zoo is a conservation zoo that brings the animals to a safe place to be rehabilitated then I’m for that. Also, having animals in a zoo makes it easier for people to learn about animals. Not all zoos are cruel to their animals. Animals aren’t attractions that are for sure but if it protects the animal from becoming endangered then I will rather they be in a safe environment then for them to lose their safe haven because of deforestation and other environmental issues that lead them to that point.
This is exactly why I said zookeepers would lose their job. Most zookeepers have a zoologist degree but they have to have a facility that would be able to fund their trips to go see animals. It would take away the experience that Zoologist, Veterinarians, Vet Techs, and many others in that job type would lose the ability to learn how take care of certain animals. Most degrees for the jobs I mentioned have to go to zoos, conservation zoos, and other places like to get the necessary learning experience and understanding they would need to take care of animals that are in zoos. It’s not easy to go trekking in the wildlife to research on animals. Especially, if the animals they are researching are predators. I’m not justifying animal cruelty in zoos. I’m justifying the reasons we have the zoos in the first place.
Yes, but to make those changes happen would take drastic measures that stubborn people do not care about. To be truthful, this type of change you are meaning is one of the hardest changes that can be made. This cycle will always happen no matter the efforts. It’s the same as trying to get people to stop deforesting rural areas in order to develop more land for houses in so on. This is an argument that really can’t be nullified because of equal balance. I’m going to stop writing right now because I feel like I’m ready to pass out. I know you probably will disagree with things I have said but that is to be expected with our different points of view on the subject at hand.
I will have to answer this second post tomorrow. I’m too tired to keep talking about it for now. I respect your opinion on the matter since you have valid points but there will always be pros and cons with any situation like this.
1 Like
More or less I would say. If this conservational programme or whatever it is, has as a goal to reintroduce animals into the wild they won’t keep the animals if they don’t have to, which I was talking about. Zoos want to keep their animals and they breed new ones to display, not to help the population grow or anything.
That is true, but there still is a chance of change. And if enough people work towards a common goal it is plausible.
I know… ):
I actually have to look up the term for this, because it seems like we’re talking about the same thing. I think of zoos as companies that keep animals for display. I have to look up conservation zoos.
I have to disagree. How do you learn about an animal in an artificial environment who is not able to live and behave like they wild counterparts? I would say that reading, watching documentaries and just going out to the forest are much more educational.
Keeping wild animals in confinement is cruel even though nobody is deliberately cruel to the animals.
I just don’t think zoos are the solution. I’m a bit unsure if we’re using the word the same way though, lol.
Ehm, they can make field studies and watch their natural behavior. Humans don’t need to learn how to care for the animals either. It’s good to learn more about them though. Conservation and rehabilitation places sure, not zoos.
My point was that we can’t keep harmful industries open just for individuals to keep their jobs. We should definitely help them find other jobs though and support them.
The reasons for zoos is for some company to make money lol.
Ehm… something that seems impossible right now might be in the future. Of course if you don’t do anything go nothing will change. Not fighting for a cause because the chances are slim that anything will happen is the same as giving up before starting. Although it takes lots of time women have rights now that would be unimaginable a hundred years ago.
Good night! <3
I don’t see the pros of zoos that keep animals for display. I’m pro conservational projects, sanctuaries and rehabilitation for animals. So we’re seem to be on the same page there. Veganism is another question and the making change thing to. I see where you’re coming from when it comes to veganism. But yes, you should sleep.
1 Like
Yeah, I’m probably not reading this clearly because I am tired. Good night and have a good day if it’s daytime for you!
1 Like
5 Likes