Okay lowkey
I kinda understand your point. I get why drawn pictures should be used with credit when used as an official fc for a roleplay, but in the examples you linked, they were mostly just bouncing ideas of fcs. Like they were more being shown than used. A lot of them also had watermarks on them, which, wouldn’t that be enough to source the artist? Or even, would just linking the place on Pinterest that they found the image be sufficient?
Idk, to me, just posting pics from Pinterest of someone’s drawing seems fine (just reminds me of people with drawn pfps from pininterest), but including credit to the pictures when it becomes an official faceclaim would be a good idea imo yeah.
We do want these forums to be welcoming to people all creativities, including artists, yes so thanks for bringing this potential issue up vibe
Good portion of the art you’ve linked have their logos + watermarked their images, which I think would count for credit, making sure the logo and watermark is seeable. However like Chid said, they were bouncing off ideas. I’ll agree that art should be used with more credit but I’d also like to point out that a few pieces of art, particularly those without logos or watermarks cannot be sourced a lot of the time because it’s been reposted multiple times without any credit + that causes it to be harder to search for especially with lesser known artists that aren’t as popular. I’ve spent hours looking for pieces of art’s origin and gotten nowhere so … yeah ;-; Just something to keep in mind… and another thing to think about that is that only a minority of RPs on here use art faceclaims, majority use models. As someone who’s RPed for a long time and with a lot of genres, I think only a few use art fcs, compared to places like tumblr where using a model fc is more of a minority… I don’t think RPers that use art fcs are trying to be disrespectful, a lot of the time people look up (same thing with faceclaims) ‘pink haired girl’ or ‘black haired boys with blue eyes’ or even just open their pinterest feed and its’ there. Sometimes it takes us two seconds because we’re just looking for someone who can fit the image of our character. But, I think the artists may benefit from us crediting the creators, I would probably just hyperlink the photo as an RP creator to the origin of the account if the photo is not watermarked. This has also raised an idea perhaps now we should encourage RPers to credit the models in their FCs, they are artists as well and they work very hard to grow a fanbase as well
But as @katabasis and @unsungcheerio said, I was just bouncing off ideas. I was throwing some nice pictures I found on Pinterest because I thought Spoon would like those. She found only one FC and I thought she was having difficulties finding FCs who looked like her character (Lottie).
But confessa do you know how tiring it’s gonna be to credit every single one of those, considering only one will be used? I’ll credit the one I used, if I find the source though
okay uh
please don’t take this as an attack on anyone
i’m talking mostly as an outsider, since i haven’t really looked into any RPs in a while, so i can’t speak for how the situation is in here? so i’ll let y’all who know the situation better than me do the talking when it comes to how fcs work here and all
i do know that people here use mostly real life people as faceclaims, tho? so there’s that, since it’s probably not a recurring thing? then it shouldn’t be that big of an issue
but i am friends with a couple digital artists and i do see where the confessor (?) is coming from. all of my artist friends are highly opposed to anyone reposting their art (going by this definition of reposting: Reposting involves saving a picture and uploading it on your own site or accounts) so technically, using pictures -even for bouncing off ideas- is reposting, which damages the potential engagement an art piece may have, and the artist in the process.
i’m sorry, Chid but… as far as i know, watermarks or pinterest links are not enough credit? since the site thrives on people reposting all kinds of things, so the link is probably not the original source and as i mentioned earlier, engagement with the pieces is very important to artists, seeing as how some people make their living from it
(i’m not saying one repost will take away an artist’s livelihood, of course, but it can still be damaging)
so yeah, if you guys want to use an art piece, i highly recommend doing a reverse google search (it really doesn’t take that long, every time i’ve tried to find the source of an art piece i’ve managed to do it relatively fast) and if you can’t find it… i’m sorry but i think it’d be better not to use it, as to not keep on feeding the reposting of works
also, this thread is super interesting! it’s only abt fanart, and specifically japanese fanart, but it does raise some pretty important points.
Here’s my input - sorry I’m a rambler.
(tldr: ye crediting = gud, ples do it. If you need help you can ask me.)
I use Pinterest for fcs and inspiration and man, is that the central of unsourced art. When I save the art, most of the time it’s to my private board so I don’t add credits sorry if I’m supposed to then I can change that but I don’t think I’ve posted any on forums. If that’s ever the case though, I will definitely credit the artist, if I don’t please poke me as a reminder to do so. If I do show my friends it’s like “yo look at this art by [artist name]”. I’m pretty sure if I didn’t say who made it some would be like “oh who drew that.” But when I come across art I like it’s an instinct for me, especially as an artist, to look up the creator and credit them if I’m showing someone. I also like looking at their other works.
Because honestly it doesn’t take me long, as a lazy person, to just reverse search an image and 98% of the time you’re led to the original creator’s page. Unless it’s been edited then it might take more effort. Actually I think there’s even a subreddit for help with finding the creator of artworks (crazily enough there’s even one for old art, it’s amazing!).
Also many artists have TOU (terms of use) which states if you’re allowed to use their work or not (I’m not sure about the legal associations of that) so I advise everyone to try looking into that when using art. Like, I’m aware many people just ahem, use whatever the hell shows up on their feeds without really looking into that (ngl I have too, with profile pictures, in the past) but some artists don’t allow reposting of their work or even using it as a pfp. Personally, that’s not my style but hey it’s not my work so I’m not gonna tell other artists to decide how their work can be used (or not used).
I guess it’s just a basic form of respect for artists. It’s not to say people who don’t credit are trying to be disrespectful or are horrible people (I mean this isn’t a murder). Like one time someone used my art as a pfp without crediting and I just dmed them for credits and we were cool. Because I think it’s something people don’t think too much about, it’s not done with malicious intent you know. Like people don’t wake up saying: Yo, I’m gonna steal some art and not credit them (unless?). But it’s totally something that people should be aware of and it should be corrected without being being attacked or attacking. I know lots of artists who love their work being used and reposted but it’s always with credit. That being said, some people aren’t into that at all. Like, idk these forums as well as I used to but I know the time and effort that goes into drawing. And man, it’s hard. You can be experienced or a beginner but there’s so much work that goes into creating every single artwork. So crediting, though a small act, really goes a long way and is always appreciated ^~^
Also if anyone is struggling to find the original source/artist of anything, feel free to message me and I’ll try to help.
If the watermark has their full name on it/their social media handle then I don’t think I see the problem? Like, wouldn’t it be credit enough to say that this art piece is made by This Person or link the person’s account or does each credit have to be the original time they posted it?
And some pins have a link to the original source it was uploaded from, like this one:
You can see clearly who made it and stouff so would that be gouda?
i get where you’re coming from (tbh i’m just going by what my artist friends say since i’m not an artist myself and cannot speak from my own experience)
as i understand it, it’s better to link it directly (or at least link the artist’s social media?) mostly for engagement purposes
if linking… idk say… their twt? gives the artist at leas one like or rt or comment, it can help a lot boosting their stuff with the algorithm
Ooh, that’s exciting! And, just for you to note, you don’t need to only stick to the RPs that haven’t begun yet. There are several that have started recently but have signups open always, and the owners are usually down to help you slip right in. But it’s up to you, I’m just saying.
Anyway, so @Cam put together a sheet featuring all the active RPs and signups! It’s pretty well put together and they updated it like yesterday, so this is a pretty accurate list you’ll be looking at
Ok so, I’m just going to be completely honest here.
Anonymous comments like this one and the previous one about the transgender character challenge, make me want to shut down the challenge. Completely scrap the current challenge and give only some basic challenges that I don’t see any way they could be hurtful like, (an elderly character, a character who is a twin, a character in their 40s, a character that is a parent). Like, from the moment I saw this confession, all I’ve wanted to do is close the challenge thread and/or pass the challenges off to another staff member. (Which at the moment I’m still really thinking about doing and I’m trying to talk myself out of it…) This confession and the previous one, make me feel like there are a lot of you that think very poorly of me, and I have Zero clue who you even are…
All I knew of was how there was a single individual who had brought up a concern with the previous challenge. Nobody has mentioned anything about it to me or on a public thread at all that I have seen. Whoever you are with this anonymous confession, I suppose people must have come to you to voice their concern, but Zero people have come to me. I don’t have any idea how many of you there are that have been uncomfortable. I only know that there is anyone uncomfortable because of these confessions.
I just want to know who I’ve made uncomfortable… Please. Just come to me with it. PM me. I will always be willing to hear out your opinion. I’m always available to talk.
I completely agree with this, HOWEVER, Brooke is not asking you to define your character by their race. She is just establishing a common aspect to a character that they can all be judged, and for those character to show who they are outside of their heritage. Why is she asking this? Take a look at ANY RP or SG FaceClaims and you will see that there are very few images who look different from one another. Most are caucasian brunettes.
All the challenge is asking for is to create a character of Asian decent but it is up you to create WHO THAT PERSON IS!
I do like some of your suggestions, although they may not work for a challenge to be judged against each other. Take the playlist one, for example. If everyone chooses their own song and bases a character off it (sharing the song too), voters will end up judging the song more than the character. The only way this will work is if it’s one song and then every uses that song. BUT then many will have a problem with that one song chosen and so won’t do the challenge.
Thank you Caliope. This is the exact point. It doesn’t have to be (and it really isn’t supposed to be) the defining trait of the character. Each challenge is what the characters submitted are all supposed to have in common.
I completely agree. Those are some amazing suggestions, but they don’t work for a competition style of challenge. The characters all have to start from the same place, to have something in common. Many of those ideas, despite how awesome they are, either wouldn’t allow for some aspect the characters all have in common (providing too much variation to judge them on the same scale), or by causing characters to be too similar (providing too little variation to actually judge them) if made specific to provide a common starting point.
Please… just come to me. There’s no reason to be uncomfortable with talking to me, and nobody else even has to know who you are… or even talk to someone you feel that you can come to, and have them speak to me…
I just don’t know what to do here. This is the 4th challenge now, and I only consider the 1st one to have been successful… there were 2 great characters and overall the challenge of making a child character seemed to be liked. The second challenge had no submissions, and now both challenges 3 and 4 have been making people uncomfortable by my efforts to encourage diversity and to push RPers to make characters different from what they normally do.
That’s the goal of these challenges. To help RPers try to make characters they wouldn’t normally do. To help bring a variety of diverse characters.
I try my best to leave each challenge as open ended as possible for everyone to make their characters unique and stand out in their own ways, just including a piece of common ground for all of the ones submitted for the challenge. The characters could be nothing alike in any way, but they still share the one aspect chosen for the challenge.
