Writing Diversity: Share Your Biggest Anxieties!

Mass media is a completely different animal to the arts, like film, literature, animation, etc. They need to be treated in very different ways. You allow you bias to seep into your work and let it be the flow through which your narrative can be created.

Mass media pushes a bias to try and make it the dominant force for social awareness. These are two very different things, and there’s very little crossover. Almost none. It’s why when you see a book being discussed on the news it’s freaking weird

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And to anyone who’s gonna come at me and try and tell me there’s an artistry to journalism, pls don’t. Gonna show my bias here and tell you there really isn’t

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There’s no artistry to journalism?

Tabloids?

I didn’t know that

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I kinda agree with this, like, an author’s writing doesn’t always portray their actual beliefs, sometimes society’s or just other beliefs. For some it’s a way to just portray what they see in life. For them, they are conveying a message, yes, but it doesn’t mean that they necessarily agree with that message. Or have to agree with that message.

I do think it depends though on the writer, like, some will put their views in their writing and others won’t. I’m not sure which one is better though, it just depends on the way you want to write.

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Well I mean

I’d rather do journalism than make spreadsheets. There is no denying that there is a creative element to journalism even though most stories write themselves…

Besides it’s my personal belief that anything you throw your all into and really care about is art whether it be journalism or decorating a shop window it can be classed as art.

But not part of the arts if that makes sense.

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I’ll say there is nothing artistic about tabloids because they are thrown together in like 3 seconds not much thought goes into that.

But thought and consideration is likely to go into a journalist talking about something they care about in a not tabloid way.

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Shannii’s point is you don’t have control over this. If you focus on not putting your views in, the story will suffer because it’s not something you can be as enthusiastic about.

And even then, your views will start to creep in. It’s fairly inevitable.

Also I’d love to see someone try and write a story with a message they disagree with. That would obliterate their mental health

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I mean great writers like Poe do this, but then again he already had terrible mental health.

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I mean, many authors have done this though where they show through their work a really bad view so that people will start to question that view.

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Yes, and usually the questioning is hinted at by the author, that would be their views creeping in. Showing that whatever stance is being represented is flawed in some way - because they don’t agree with it. That isn’t the same as if, say, I wanted to make a story that showed racism and sexism in a good light, with themes of white people being the smarter race and men just inherently having more worth than women.

If I were to have the view represented, it would be to show the cracks, not enforce them

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It would also be super deliberate, whereas your own views and stances seeping into your work tends to happen super organically. You don’t mean for it to happen

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It’s even more than that. What’s the point of art if it doesn’t make us think? And if bias-less art were possible, it wouldn’t make us think at all. But even the act of trying to get rid of biased in your work is biased. Someone who thinks art shouldn’t be biased is biased against the idea of clear biases presenting themselves in art. It’s something you can never escape.

Like how it’s a political statement to actively try not to be political! The political statement being that you think politics shouldn’t be in that space.

All you’re doing in reality when you try to remove bias from your work is getting rid of biases that are unpopular. It’s a ridiculous, stupid idea. Like how people who complain about politics in their video games. They call anything they disagree with “politics”. It’s the same with biases here.

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Trying to make a diverse piece of work is a bias. You’re biased towards diversity. Your bias is that you think diversity is a good thing.

Likewise, when you fight against diversity, your bias is that diversity is stupid or unnecessary

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I think as an author you need to be quite neutral in terms of characters. I don’t mean you have to not let your political or socialist views be seen in it.

I think you have to be neutral enough to let the villains win sometimes. It’s hard especially when you are attached to the mc but it’d be more interesting if the villains won every once in a while

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I disagree very strongly. All of the best works of literature have something to say about society, politics, religion, etc. Literature as a subject is about unpicking stories/writing/texts and being able to see how they are relevant to society and what they say.

Here are a few examples of great, successful works of fiction that very clearly display political or social (socialism is a political ideology) views:

  • The Lord of the Rings is very clear in its Christian messages, plus it is very clearly anti-industrialisation. Tolkien presents the “natural” as good and the “man-made” as evil. The bad guys are the ones who cut down trees and make huge industrial-style structures, whereas the good guys live with nature.

  • Narnia is a very, very clear example of Christian imagery. Aslan is literally Jesus. It’s so on your nose it is impossible to miss. He even says he’s known by a different name in our world.

  • On the other end of the spectrum of religious ideology, you have His Dark Materials, which started with The Golden Compass. In the series, they literally kill God. Philip Pullman was an atheist and he showed that in his writing.

  • The Black Panther is a great example of political messaging in a story. They start off as an ethnostate. They don’t trust anyone from outside of their borders and they try to stay isolated and excluded from the outside world. They are presented with someone who wants to punish the West for what they did to Africa, which pushes them out of their comfort zone. In the end, T’Challa opens up Wakanda to help others. The message is that we need to help, not conquer, one another. Political views are very clear in this work. Isolationism doesn’t work and we all have a duty to help other countries in need.

  • 1984 is another very clearly political text about the dangers of the authoritarian regimes that had either just fallen or were strong at the time of writing. Namely, the USSR and Nazi Germany. It tells of the importance of memories and the truth, and how authoritarian regimes can use language to control people.

  • Another text by the same author as the last is Animal Farm, which is very explicitly about the failures of Communism. That communism in Russia may have started out with good intentions, but very quickly, it devolves into being no different from the monarchistic regime it left behind. Again, this is super on-the-nose, with the ending literally being the animals not being able to tell the pigs and the humans apart.

And that’s just to name the few that came off the top of my head!

Every piece of writing that you write has a bias. You can’t write without bias. It’s impossible. The trick here is to be able to identify what your biases are and use them to your advantage. It’s important to be able to make sure that you’re saying what you want to say and now accidentally put some stuff in that might not reflect the story you’re trying to tell.

If stories didn’t have political or social views in them, they wouldn’t be saying much about the world. If stories don’t say anything about the world, then what’s the point? What’s the point in studying literature? Why are some works considered classics while others aren’t? Why do experts spend so much time analysing stories? If the messages don’t matter, then diversity wouldn’t matter either because it wouldn’t do anything.

But that’s not the reality. The reality is that every story says something because we all have biases. Our biases factor into the story we want to tell, how we want to tell it. Most importantly, our political and social views shape who we write as the hero and who we write as the villain.

For example, let’s take His Dark Materials again. In that, Lyra is pretty much the new Eve. The original Eve is framed as a hero, to some extent. Why? Well, she eats the fruit from the tree of knowledge so that we can escape ignorance. When you see the biblical story in that way, it makes God seem kinda abusive or even evil because he kept us in the dark about the reality of the world. So Eve did us a favour, according to the atheist Philip Pullman.

If a Christian wrote the same story, the people trying to kill sin and kill God would be the villains instead of the heroes. You know what they say: the victor writes history. The same goes with certain biases. The most dominant political view affects our stories the most. So we don’t notice that they’re political because that’s the politics everyone agrees on.

Like, another great example is racism being bad. That’s a political statement. There are some people who disagree. However, because we’re the dominant ones, we portray the racist people in our stories as wrong or bad and that’s not seen as political. It’s just seen as normal, even if it is a political statement. It is political to make racism evil in your stories. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do that! It’s right! It’s good! But it is political, too.

Or how Nazi propaganda portrayed Nazis as good people who were right and correct. In our media, we show our view that Nazism is bad by making the Nazis in our stories either the villains or just people who are wrong and need to be educated. Or, we use Nazi imagery to code our villains as villains. Like the Empire in Star Wars. We make them look and act like the Nazis, which shows what we think about Nazis!

The challenge isn’t to rid your story of politics. You can’t, so there’s no point in trying. But even worse than that, if you think your story has no politics in it, you’re much more likely to accidentally include some really bad messages into it because you’re not thinking about the fact that your views shape what you write. Therefore, the challenge is to choose what side you want to portray. To choose what messages you want to include in your work and how this is going to affect the way you write.

Letting the villain win sometimes is nothing to do with neutrality and everything to do with the story you want to tell. I have stories planned in the future where the villain wins. But that isn’t because I’m neutral. Like, in The Man in the High Castle, the Nazis win WWII. But that’s not because the author is neutral about Nazism. He’s not on the fence about whether it’s a good thing or not. Of course not! It’s because he wants us to feel hopeless. He wants us to see how bad the world would be if they did win.

Plus, letting the villain win from time to time helps us to create compelling stories. When the heroes are at their most hopeless, that’s when we can really care about what happens to us and it makes a huge impact when they win. It’s like a phoenix rising from the ashes. When the hero always wins, the story gets boring. What’s the point of telling a story with no struggles at all?

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Having a villain win and showing it as a good thing sounds like a very difficult and gruelling process tbh. Like, my favourite villain as the protagonist stories show the villains winning to some extent. Spoilers ahead for Death Note and Infinity War.

Light Yagami defeats his biggest rival and wins in the end, but he’s not shown as in the right. Not by a long shot. Neither is Thanos in Infinity War. They’re both shown as pretty indefensibly morally wrong. That’s great, it’s the writer bias showing through. You get a view into their polotical ideology and their worldview by having a look at their ‘worst case scenario’. But I haven’t seen a villain win with a morally just or good spin on it really. I’d be interested to see if someone could manage it, but it would probably be difficult to watch and very difficult to write

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Also more people are getting sick of the ‘only things I disagree with are political!’ nonsense.

Ah yes, the two genders. Male and political!

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